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Friday, September 21, 2007

Preterism-Idealism? I think I like it.

For a few hours now I have been searching the internet for articles on the date of Revelation. Here's what I found: Nobody knows when Revelation was written. In my last post I addressed how I really liked the "modified" idealist view championed by Dr. Kim Riddlebarger, but began to have some questions after reading an analysis of Revelation by Keith Mathison in his book Postmillennialism: An Eschatoloy of Hope that is written from a preterist perspective. In my search for answers I came across this article. It was written by John Noe who was apparently a Full Preterist for 10yrs. and then "converted?" to a Preterist-Idealist. The article is pretty long and probably boring if you're not real interested in this stuff (I haven't read it yet, so hopefully there's no heresy in it). At first glance though, it seems like this might be right on the money, that is, as long as Revelation was written before A.D. 70 (which I will address next time). Check out this quote:

"The revelation of Jesus Christ” (Rev 1:1) has a fuller significance and deeper character beyond its AD 70 eschatological fulfillment. Consequently, the preterist notion that it only applies to AD 70 when Christ supposedly came in “finality” is a weakness to be amended. And in a preterist-idealist synthesis, the strength of idealism remains that it “secures its relevance for all periods of the church’s history.” But its major weakness—i.e. “its refusal to see a firm historical anchorage”— is removed. That missing anchorage is supplied by Revelation’s A.D-70 fulfillment."

Sounds interesting to me. I'll read it, think more about it and get back to you. Any thoughts?

16 comments:

Dee Dee Warren said...

Noe denies the future bodily resurrection and the consummation. That is clearly historically and Biblically heretical.

chance n said...

Well, Noe was a Full Preterist so that is to be expected. It should, however, be very simple to adopt the Preterist-Idealist scheme as a partial preterist, which is what I would do. Quick question: Why is there a picture of Xena the Warrior Princess in her typical "attire" posted as the wallpaper of your site?

blake white said...

Chance, avoid all things preterist. Just go with classical dispensationalism instead. The Darby kind. It may get you rich.

chance n said...

bw, what if Revelation was written before A.D.70? Makes it hard to avoid... partial preterism anyway.

Dee Dee Warren said...

Hi Chance - I think all "partial preterists" (I reject that terminology) should be true preterist-idealists of a sort. I can give you some material I wrote where I expound upon that a bit if you would like. But certainly not of the Noe variety.

And I have Xena on my site because I like the graphic, and enjoyed the show. The colours worked well, and since I have terrible taste in colours, when I found something that worked, I stick with it. My last design looked, well, basically like a cheap hotdog.

I have a very in-depth commentary I authored on that site if you are interested, http://www.preteristsite.com/plain/warrenend.html

No Xena on that page as the piece is way too long to use that graphical interface (IOW, IE renders pages so poorly that whenever they are beyond a certain length, I either have to ditch the graphics or split up the page).

I am also one of the owners of theologyweb.com (my nic there is Darth Xena) - there are a LOT of "partial preterists" there if you want to interact.

Blake... so that's what I'm doing wrong. :doh: slaps forehead :)

blake white said...

It could have been written before then, but you have a baby to feed now so you better go with Darby.

chance n said...

bw,
good point... i guess i'll be a futurist/dispensationalist. at least until she graduates from college.

NewCreation said...

Hey Chance,

Please check out my new site which is strictly devoted to sharing heretical or absurd quotes made by Full Preterists to demonstrate the many errors and consequences of this system of interpreting bible prophecy.

http://preteristheresy.blogspot.com/

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