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Monday, November 05, 2007

Christian Domestic Discipline?


Ok... This morning on FoxNews there was a story about this Saudi guy that is teaching young Muslims how to discipline there wives. Here's a quote:
"Admonish them – once, twice, three times, four times, ten times," he advised.
"If this doesn't help, refuse to share their beds."
And if that doesn't work?
"Beat them," one of his three young advisees responded.
"That's right," Al-'Arifi said.


Wow. You can read the rest of the article here. There is a big difference between this and the Biblical call for husbands to be Christ's representatives in the home, especially in the way they treat their wives, right? Well, Dr. Riddlebarger blogged on this story and while I was reading the comments I noticed a link to the following website: http://christiandomesticdiscipline.com/Articles.html. I never even knew this world existed, and to be honest, I don't even know how to respond. Now, if this was a website created by the guy quoted above then I wouldn't be so surprised, but the creator of this site is a very sincere, Christian woman. I read the articles... awkward. They even have a blog. Go ahead... check it out, and PLEASE tell me that I am not the only guy that doesn't "spank" his wife for punishment. peace.

41 comments:

blake white said...

Dude, my web filter wouldn't let me check out that whacky site. Probably for the best. I spank ...nevermind. That's crazy.

chance n said...

bw,
that's weird. the link was just to some articles on the site. this lady really is heartfelt about submission. she was abused by her ex-husband which might explain some things. maybe i will email the articles to you. i can't explain the feeling i got when i read them... i think "awkward" is the best word to use. peace.

Anonymous said...

I was on the CDD blog reading a post about how men are superior to women, because they protect them. I sent this comment, but it was edited out for obvious reasons. It sums up my qualms with this thinking. For centuries women have been abused and repressed by the very men who are ideally supposed to protect them. Did women cause wars? No, they never had a say one way or the other. But now they are into politics, there will probably be more and more going to war to protect their country. My best girlfriend from high school went to boot camp right after she graduated, because she wanted to protect her country. I'd rather protect my country than be spanked like a child for the rest of my life. So, maybe you are helping women. Give them the option: get spanked or risk your life for your country. But I'd also ask, what percentage of husbands actually ever risk their physical lives in their whole lifetime to protect their wives. You make it seem like women are in danger of death constantly and must be protected by men. But that isn't the case. The cops are protecting their husbands. The doctors are saving their husbands lives. And what men and WOMEN (increasing every day) have the passion are risking their lives in the military to offer protection. If your wife ups and takes Judo, though you may not see the ladylikeness of this, you better believe she would be able to protect you. It's just that our culture has never and still barely encourages this for women, but shames men into being the strong ones. You, sir, are a bare-butt-beaten slave of culture. So, go beat your wife today just to prove you are better. I hope she gets herself some judo lessons if she isn't afraid of a more severe disobedience discipline having done so.

Anonymous said...

I would like to defend the domestic discipline lifestyle. I innocently stumbled into this 'world' and was initially freaked out by it. But then I really started reading about it. Reeaally reading about it. There is actually a lot of sense to it. There are of course, as with any lifestyle or idea, extremes and variences in choices. You would be surprised how many people practice this life style- and not just in the Christian world. I was the one who brought this to my husband- and you may be surprised at how often it is the women who bring it up. Many of us are very successful, in every aspect. We are very strong hearted and strong minded. We are intellegent and well educated. It is not about him being better than me, or stronger, or about 'lady like' behavior. Respectful, submissive... yes. It is no where near being about repression. In many ways we are much stronger than our husbands- and they will be the first to amdmit that! I won't get into some of the other things that were stated. But take a moment to really check into it... you will be very surprised at what you find out.

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Sexperts said...

I've tried CDD and you'd be surprised at how many women initiate CDD or Taken in Hand relationships. I might add that CDD is CONSENSUAL (unlike Muslims beating their wives) and is never about hitting in anger or to harm the woman. It is possible to use Eph 5 without spanking or with spanking, the Bible is open either way. If these women prefer to have a strong father-figure for a husband, more power to them! It isn't for everyone but they are still sincere Christians.

And Chance, how did you find out she was abused by her ex-husband?

Anonymous said...

Wow, that's crazy man. They should really try to do something to fix that.

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Wow, that's crazy man. They should really try to do something to fix that.

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The practice of domestic discipline isn't so much Christian as it is traditional. In popular usage, the Christian tag became associated with domestic discipline because, almost by definition, conservative Christians are very traditional. Yet, many couples in domestic discipline relationships are not Christian. Muslims are just one example. Nor is any of this is new.

Long before domestic discipline became a euphemism, everybody knew badly behaved grown women sometimes got spanked as if they were naughty little girls. I found out about it when my father took my mother into their bedroom after she threw a tantrum. Even before the door closed, I strongly suspected my mother was going to get a bare bottom spanking over my father's lap. I also knew she deserved it. The sounds that filtered though the door only served to confirm my suspicion. Still, my mother's greatly improved attitude when she finally emerged was one of the great lessons of my childhood.

Back then, spanking one's wife wasn't considered abusive so long as the husband did it as privately as possible, didn't make a habit of doing it, and confined his displeasure to where his wife sat down.

Then, as now, spanking remains effective with women because, unlike men, females tend to "learn their lesson" when spanked on their bare behind by a man. Guys, on the other hand, are more disposed to treating getting spanked as if it were an attack. That's why my parents never spanked me after I reached puberty. On the other hand, several of the girls I knew in high school admitted they still got spankings if they misbehaved. They didn't even have to say it was on their bare bottom. That was a given in those days. So was getting spanked hard enough and long enough to make even a big girl really cry!

Then, after the mid 1960s, spanking became synonymous with abuse. A well orchestrated war on spanking had begun. As approval for spanking began to decline, divorce rates increased. Meanwhile, those couples able to come to a workable agreement what to do about spanking had more lasting marriages.

When internet usage expanded beyond the walls of academia, some men and women began sharing their marital insights. Although still controversial, quite a few of these discussed the benefits of spanking. This led to a renewed interest in the traditional practice of spanking. Only now, spanking was known as domestic discipline.